Q&A: Pedro AlmodĂłvar on why he made himself the villain of his new film, 'Bitter Christmas'
NEW YORK (AP) â Art does far more than imitate life in the films of Pedro AlmodĂłvar.
His movies, from âAll About My Motherâ to âPain and Glory,â are grand, melodramatic reflections of AlmodĂłvar's own life that tremble on the brink between fiction and reality.
In the 77-year-oldâs latest film, âBitter Christmas,â AlmodĂłvar's meta inclinations reach a thrilling new realm. Two narratives unspool, both concerning filmmakers. One, a veteran director suffering a creative block, RaĂșl (Leonardo Sbaraglia), is notably similar to AlmodĂłvar himself.
There are, as always, twists and turns in AlmodĂłvar's new film, which Sony Pictures Classics releases Friday in theaters. But âBitter Christmasâ builds toward an inquiry into the director's â and AlmodĂłvar's â plundering of real life for the purpose of art. It's a portrait of the artist as a not-so-young thief.
As one of the top global filmmakers, AlmodĂłvar has increasingly come to be a conscience of cinema. He has passionately defended theaters while arguing against Netflix films (which he dings in âBitter Christmasâ). AlmodĂłvar has also been a loud critic of President Donald Trump, decried the rise of the far right in Europe and turned down lucrative offers from a Saudi festival.
AlmodĂłvar has resolutely stuck to his values. That makes his decision to turn himself into the villain of âBitter Christmasâ all the more interesting. In a recent interview while in Manhattan for the New York Film Festival, AlmodĂłvar discussed the autofiction turn of âBitter Christmasâ and his abiding creative hunger.
AP: The movie comes most alive in the last 20 minutes. Where did that meta turn come from?ALMODĂVAR: I agree. When I wrote the script, I wanted to shoot these 20 final minutes. That was new to me. When I was writing, I was surprised. I didnât think, when I was writing, that was the end. I was driving the story to another ending. But it suddenly appeared: the possibility of being questioned by one of the characters. I thought of (Italian author and playwright Luigi) Pirandello. It felt new. I had never done it like that. I was always interested in the deep relation between creativity and reality. They are like two sides of one coin. I realized that I didnât think about the other people. I only thought about the idea, the inspiration.
AP: Do you think you've ever crossed a line?ALMODĂVAR: The question is: When an author is working on things that have to do with real life, are there limits to what he should do? And if there are limits, what should they be? Itâs a moral question that I think depends on the ethical sensibility of the author. When Iâve done it, I try not to hurt anyone. But I realize, and I have to admit, that the creator becomes someone selfish because you only think about the story. Itâs the dark side of us.
AP: You sound a little guilty.ALMODĂVAR: Yes. I feel a little guilty. I never considered changing. But I felt a little uncomfortable. This is the nature of the creator. We are dangerous people for the friends and the family. Thereâs a wonderful autofiction writer who said that any family with a writer will have conflict.
AP: How many features have you made now?ALMODĂVAR: Twenty-four.
AP: And yet, after so many films, youâre still mystified by where creativity comes from?ALMODĂVAR: Yes, yes, yes. Even after 24 films, Iâm thinking with a lot of anxiety: Whatâs coming next? For me, making films is a passion not a job. And I think itâs a passion that grows with time, even more than my first film.
AP: You still feel that way? Your earlier films werenât low on passion.ALMODĂVAR: My life now, or the last five years or something like that, is only writing and making movies and promoting them. I didnât discover anything more exciting. Itâs the base of my life. That means, of course, solitude that I only do this. Little by little, I become more isolated. Writing has been filling up all the holes in my life.
AP: So the idea of retirement is unfathomable?ALMODĂVAR: The moment I stop feeling that passion for a particular script, that might be the moment I stop making films. The change in my scripts from the â80s until now is that in the â80s, it was really a communal situation in the sense I was surrounded by a lot of people. I was living by day and night. This was the beginning of democracy in Spain. I was young. My movies at the time reflected that â my joy of living, the lack of limits, all the kinds of people that were out at night. Transsexuals, gays, everybody mixed together. I was not alone in the â80s. But as time passed, I began to live a more solitary life. I wasnât going out as much. In the â80s, it was this perpetual party with drugs. But at some point, the drugs stop working and also become dangerous. In the â90s, I decided to leave excitement behind for work. I embraced discipline. I supplanted the life I was leaving behind with writing. And that became the excitement in my life.
AP: Is there a movie that bridges those periods?ALMODĂVAR: I would mark that transition around â95, when I shot âThe Flower of My Secret.â Itâs a film in which I talk about my family and about creation. Itâs the first time in my cinema that I went back to my hometown. That first time I set up the tripod to take a shot and look at the earth around me â itâs a reddish kind of earth there â was a very moving moment for me. I had left there when I was 9 years old. But I realized at that point that I actually belonged to that place. After that comes âLive Fleshâ and âAll About My Motherâ and a more mature period in my career.
AP: Do you feel some obligation, as someone people look to as a conscience of cinema and more, to speak out on political matters?ALMODĂVAR: Someone like Trump is a constant part of your everyday life. You canât get away from him. You see him every day. Every time he opens his mouth, heâs going to say something unbearable or inhumane. For me, itâs more my reaction as a person, as a citizen. This inhumane hunting by ICE, weâre witnesses to that. I donât consider myself an activist, but I do want to speak against the dangers around us. Thereâs tragedy happening around the world. For me, the topics are not necessarily just political. Theyâre about human value.
AP: In âBitter Christmas,â the director pleads about Netflix: âDonât reduce me to making a TV movie.â Where do you feel moviegoing is now?ALMODĂVAR: Two or three years ago, we saw the beginning of this crisis in Spain. Five hundred theaters closed in a short period of time. Weâre seeing the rhythm of these closures slow down. People are returning to the cinema. I would like to believe that itâs a reversible situation.